Mm-hmm.

Um, I think I, it took a while for me, if I'm being totally candid and honest.

I, I didn't see American Christianity as a whole system that might have viruses until maybe some time after my experience with my former church.

Now, in regard to the former church that I had left, I would say there was one main perpetrator who perpetuated most of the spiritual abuse, but in that instance, I did, and I was able to name and acknowledge that he was only able to do so because there was a system and a group of people that enabled him to continue on and on and on.

So I think I had a grasp of, this is just not, you know, and for many folks who have engaged or encountered something like this, sometimes you feel like people are minimizing your pain as relational conflict that's happening between you and the pa- and you need to work that out.

You need to go to your brother or your sister and blah, blah, blah.

Mm-hmm

... that's kind of obvious.