How would you kind of reflect on perhaps the last three years then and the progress made on scope three? Do you think the world of scope three practitioners are making good progress? Where are we sort of still getting stuck? Where are we improving faster? Where is it still a bit stodgy?

Oh, that is a big question, Ollie.

And there's a gazillion different answers to it, I think.

It It comes down to the fact that it's one of those systemic problems, right? So it's a wicked problem.

You can't solve the scope three problem by focusing only on scope three.

We look at the UN SDGs, everything is interconnected.

In fact, I think the only one where if you were to exert all of your energy that you would actually get impact on all of them is equality.

So what are some of your experiences about initiatives like My Green Lab and what would be your advice for others that are thinking about joining them?