And I'm sort of turning this into a coaching session a little bit, but what's the, Jen, what's the vision? What is the, like, where are we trying to go? And it's not necessarily having these targeted metrics, but what does the vision ultimately look

like? Sure.

I think there are a couple of factors that go into it.

I would say one thing that has been a challenge in Jersey City is just the lack of appointments, the lack of availability.

And those things are changing both through our own efforts and a lot of other groups have really advocated.

And so we are moving in the right direction.

I think once we have more availability, more TNR bandwidth when it comes to actual surgeries themselves and vet availability, building out some sort of system that like you said, could help educate the public, help teach them how to do this themselves.

Do you actually you do the adoptions, too? And do you feel like that's taking up a lot of your space? organizational time and bandwidth, or do you feel that you have it pretty well streamlined?

What is

that? Some kind of creature? It looks like one of those snakes that you use to wiggle.

A wiggle snake.

I

And Jen told me about how easy it is for details that feel insignificant now, but historians love, to get lost.

I think when I'm doing archival work and speaking to people and trying to find things that happened, like, 30, 40 years ago, the biggest thing I get is people saying, oh, I wish I'd kept hold of this flyer or this poster or this photo, but I didn't think to at the time because you don't when it's current and it's just happening.

But then, um, you know, in 40 years time or so, it's actually a really important piece of heritage.

that people can learn from and are going to be interested in.

... uh, venture, and that's where you come in, right, Jen? Because you're more on the venture growth and working with startups and, um, supporting them where you can.

Yeah.

So I'm Director of Entrepreneurship and lead ON1's entrepreneurship activity across the sectors.

Um, but that really builds on the work that ON1 had been doing for 10 years, um, within each of the sectors, and that, uh, the sort of deep sector knowledge and expertise and innovation and product development, et cetera.

Um, but a few years ago, we started working with MIT and embraced their framework for entrepreneurship, and now we're building that out across the organization-

Jen, what's your take?

Yeah, I mean, I'm, I've always been a fan.

My PhD in neural networks 25 years ago, um, I went to work in a startup that spun out from the university, um, and we were, you know, kind of ahead of our time.