Now, do you recall when you discovered this was an important value to you in whatever shape or form it took?

I do not remember when I realised it was an important value to me.

But I can probably ascertain where it came from and why it was important to me.

And I think right back to probably my father more than anything.

He was like one of the kind of – First tree changes, they left Sydney and moved to the bush in New South Wales and they bought this property that was like 10 acres, 30 k's out of town, which is not a property.

It's a small block of land, 30 k's out of town.

But the really important thing to him was that it was about creating space for us to – for having a family and having a spot for us to grow.

And I'd love to know from your perspective, what was the easy hat? And then what's the hat that's pushed you outside more than you may be expected?