Any other tips?

The way that we start to talk about it with students, I would say, is like, starts with daylighting, right? With, with, you know, things at the, just like the environmental conditions.

I would say [laughs] actually it's probably hard to even get them to think that much, right? In oftentimes, right? You are always thinking about, like, how you position your architecture, your building, your massing with solar orientation.

And how do you just capture that? How are-- do you understand what the just environment and working with that which is-Consistent, right? And you can, you can digest that, you can get that, and you can then understand where do I put apertures or where do I want shade, and things like that.

I wanna say we start there with students, and if they can grasp that, and if we can get into the interior environments, then...

I mean, I think it can range really.

It d- depends, like, how far into it, like, are we talk-- You know.

Do you have a favorite illuminated space or some other good lighting story?