So how did how did you get started on this one?

The way that all worked out was I was working at a company called Creative Assembly Australia.

Creative Assembly is the head offices in the UK in Horsham, I think.

And yeah, they had opened up a studio in Australia, in Brisbane, and I worked there and worked on all sorts of Total War stuff all the way up to 2012.

And then I left and one of the guys I worked with at Creative Assembly Australia, Sanatan Mishra, he and I bumped into each other downtown.

just randomly and it's like hey how you doing you know he goes and he said uh oh we left we left creative assembly and uh tim our other friend and i uh are roommates now and we started our own game company we're making our own game uh and i went and he said you should come by and check it out and so about a week later i dropped by see uh snotten's nickname is nart for whatever reason so nart and tim i'm at their place uh and they put on this game and it's an early version of cactus um and i'm playing it i'm going oh i love this game i love these kind of games and and they're like cool so who could you recommend to do uh audio on it and music do you know any people i said well what about me? And they said, oh, but aren't you, you're like triple A guy.

We're just a couple of indies, you know, you wouldn't have time for us.

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