Anything that you'd like to share to get us started today.

Well, I grew up in Detroit, Michigan.

Uh, and, uh, I've actually been in this industry my entire life.

My family owns a company in Detroit called Stone Soap Company, which is going into its 94th year and third generations of Stones.

And all through school and my early career was with that particular company.

Uh, decided to, you know, start my own business, uh, move across country.

My wife and I in the mid-'80s moved to, uh, Southern California and we started our own rep group, uh, called Sales Plus, which eventually was acquired by Access Partners.

When not working, though, what do you like to do?