Do you mind getting into what is that book about?

Sure.

When I started really getting serious about rock climbing, I was pretty heavily influenced by Mark Hudon and Max Jones.

They did a lot of climbing all over the country, a lot of hard stuff.

They were pushing the difficulty of climbing 512 up into 513 at the time.

And I'd Early on, I had read about Robbins and Harding and the nose and the Solothay Wall and all of the controversies about bolting on the Dawn Wall and all of that.

And then the free climbing revolution of the 1970s where John Backer, Ron Kauk, John Long, Jim Bridwell, Henry Barber, Jim Erickson, Steve Wunsch, all those guys were kind of turning the sport into more of an athletic pursuit.

like that very much Was it legal to put those into the rock?