What's working to change their perception of that?

You know, one of the things we do in our programs at Summit Ministries, these are 16 to 22 year olds.

And they're with us for 12 days.

So it is an intensive.

And with virtually every topic, we begin by playing the devil's advocate.

So our speaker who speaks on Christian apologetics, for example, stands up and he's introduced as an atheist.

And he fields questions.

From a

Now, FISA-FI, you're saying, knew that the photo that purported to show her in front of a right-side-up American flag, she had to know that was a fake photo, didn't she?

Well, yeah, I mean, she was there and the information was available to her.

I mean, obviously, people have found it out about you could do a reverse Google search or you could look up this.

You know, they found all different ways to find the original source material that had been quickly deleted.

But she would have known like this whole fiasco was of the upside down right side of the flag was made up.

But she knew that she was there.

And she had to be there.

Should they?

Doctor, give me the myths.

Well, Steve, the first one is that God doesn't care about politics.

A lot of people say, look, I love God.

I go to church.

I want to be a part of everything that's going on, but God doesn't care about politics.

And your answer to that question, if anybody says that to you, is God cares about everything, especially the flourishing of people.

Now, I talked with pastors here in Colorado and I said, look, does God care that one out of every two Coloradans cannot afford a home, that they're living month to month, that their property taxes are outrageous, that the state government wants to continue increasing taxes, that their families are unsafe? If you don't talk about it in church, the people in the church think that Jesus doesn't care about it and God cares about everything.

Isn't voting doing both? Honestly, doesn't it cover both sides of that equation?

Your thoughts?

I think you're correct.

what you're going to find with Roman Catholic voters is that a lot of them will say, well, okay, yeah, we're all about poverty relief and all of that, and maybe this guy will make a difference.

But most of them are saying there's something really suspicious about this.

If he's against religion, if he's saying all of these crazy things, if he can't figure out what a man or a woman is, even though we might be inclined to vote for somebody who's more liberal, we just can't go that far.

Now, we'll wake up on the Wednesday morning after the elections and find out whether that's actually correct.

But I'm really concerned about this guy's worldview when it comes to economic issues, because he's a complete materialist, which means he acts as if only the material world exists.

Your thoughts.

But I see it, and I'm just a layman, right?

O- of course.

Y- yes, I, I, and I, I understand that and I, I agree with it.

I, I'm still thinking of, wow, people who've talked about this long before the internet even existed.

G.K. Chesterton said, "When people stop believing in God, it's not that they then believe in nothing, it's that they will believe anything." So what we have to have is some kind of a North Star, some sort of a true north.

If I'm looking at a compass and I'm always trying to get the red needle to point toward me, I'm not more found, I'm more lost.

I need the red needle to point to something outside of me, even if it shows me that I am lost.

Uh, how do we curb all of this, Jeff? That's the serious question here today.

Yeah.

Jesus was a Jew.

Jesus was born as a Jew, he grew up as a Jew, he taught as a Jew, [laughs] he died as a Jew.

Christians believe that he's coming again as a Jew.

So you know, th- this antisemitic thing that's going on in the Democratic socialists of America, that they would all of a sudden try to employ Jesus is clearly just a...

It's just a political...

It, it's a political nightmare.

Your thoughts?

because of their ideology in some of these

front offices, right? I think you're exactly right, Steve, because they could just take the International Olympic Committee approach.

I guess it was earlier this year, March maybe of 2026.

They said, look, if there's the presence of an SRY gene and you can figure that out with a nasal swab, then it's a boy and he can't play in the female sports.

So he's XY and only XX can perform in the elite Sports.

Now, the International Olympic Committee said, look, there are some sports that are mixed and there are some sports where there's no requirement on gender.

But on these elite sports and WNBA is trying to be that they need to have some kind of criteria.

Unless I'm mistaken, Jeff.

I know so little about something that I've, you know...

So, my family...

It's been in our family since 1987.

I believe is when we bought...

Or when my...

My grandma and my uncle went half scent on it.

She was running it at night, and I think my uncle also worked there.

What does that look like? Is it just, you just need them to come?

I think that's a critical point that you made.

It is a, a way of thinking on the right, and it's, it's the far right.

But there are a lot of conservatives who are irritated with the State of Israel.

They don't like getting internationally involved.

They don't like the military aspect.

They're more isolationist.

And a- among those people, there is a way, there's a kind of a conspiracy thinking.

I'm, I'm, I'm all ears

Anyhow, go ahead.

Yeah, but people do trust the Bible.

They do know that in a world where everybody seems to have their feet firmly planted in midair, there's got to be some kind of truth.

And so they are picking up Bibles.

Bible sales continue to rise.

And then they're going to churches to ask, are you going to help me understand the Bible? There are some interesting things about these trends.

Larger churches are growing larger, smaller churches are getting smaller.

What is the difference? If sin is sin, what is the difference between a flag out there, a trans flag? Why not just put a wife beater out there? Why not just put a drunk guy on the front porch? I mean, is there a difference there? Am I missing something?

There's got to be a better way, Jeff.

There is a better way and it is to get off of your device and go touch grass and actually live a real life.

But people have misunderstood what's really taking place here because they just think that something like ChatGPT, this generative AI model, is somehow neutral and it's not.

The guy who invented this, his name is Sam Altman, the company's called OpenAI, he's a billionaire, 41 years old, and he designed the program and told his programmers to design the program to not contradict the user.

In other words, only to affirm.

And so if you answer just one or two questions about it, then you might not notice this.

But if you're going in depth on something, it's going to continually say you're a good person, the way you're thinking about this is right, and so forth.

It is an epidemic of loneliness in this country and the Western world, isn't it?

It is pretty remarkable, do tell.

It's happening much more than people realize.

We stay focused on what is happening in the war situation, but behind the scenes, Iranians and Muslims in all parts of the world are coming to faith in Christ in unprecedented numbers.

I was first alerted to this by Dr. David Garrison, who studied thousands of these converts and actually talked personally with them.

He said there are nine different movements inside of Islam around the world, and in all nine of them, people are coming to Christ.

But in Iran, it's especially significant because everybody's born Muslim in Iran.

If you convert away from Islam, that's apostasy, and that is punished by the death penalty.

I mean, that kind of conversion story Gives people hope, doesn't it?

What are your thoughts?

Well, you and I talked about Pope Leo before, and you have your suspicions about him, and I have mine.

Just kind of wait and see how it all turns out.

But this is actually a really significant discussion.

He's putting the focus back on human beings.

because people are so quick to forfeit their agency to an AI.

So for example, 83% of Gen Zers said they believe they can form a deep emotional attachment to a chatbot, 83%.

Look, Throw the handbrake, please.

The people can figure it out, can't they?

Of course they can figure it out, and I think people have started to realize this is a propaganda war, and the propaganda war started on the same day that the Hamas attacks started in Israel.

It has never let up, it has continued, and so people have to learn how to discern the difference between true persuasion, trying to get the truth out there and propaganda.

And it should be no surprise that Hamas operatives continue to spread this story that there is somehow rape on the part of the IDF.

I heard this all the way, let's see, I guess probably a summer and a half ago.

A guy says, I got a confidential report on this.

No, no, Hamas is the one doing the raping.

Your thought.

I don't know that we have that right now, Jeff.

No, I certainly don't think we do.

I mean, look, the White House is doing all of the right things in trying to bring in regional partners.

They're talking to Qatar, which sometimes is good for the United States and sometimes not.

They're talking to...

You know, they're talking to the UAE.

Obviously, you know, they're working with Israel, but they're trying to figure out who can talk to who's in charge in Iran, who actually is in charge, and how do you get to the place where you can have some truth? Now, it's never easy.

I'll give the last word to you.

And it was quite a moment of faith, wasn't it?

It seems that it's always a moment of faith when people go into outer space and look back on the earth.

They have the same kind of exaltation that the psalmist had in Psalm 19 when he said, the heavens declare the glory of God.

They feel that way looking back at earth the way we feel when we look out at space.

And I just find that fascinating.

It's always been that way.

You know, I was thinking of James Irwin.

There is a

Wiccans, atheists, why would you need an atheist if you're not going to pray? Why would you need that denomination? So what's your take?

There never has been a Wiccan chaplain.

There never has been an atheist chaplain.

There's never been a humanist chaplain.

All Pete Hegseth did is remove 160 religious codes of people of groups that supposedly exist that have never had a chaplain.

And I've got the list here.

Ekenkar, heathen.

By gosh, under the left-wing ideology of this country, they should be banned from every classroom in

Haven't we done this since before we had a republic?

During the American Revolution, Congress issued 16 different proclamations of prayer.

And most of those, some of them were prayers of thanksgiving, but most of them were prayers of fasting and humiliation.

I mean, it's not just in praying in Jesus' name.

It's saying you need to skip some meals and you need to bow the knee and humiliate yourself before God to ask for his divine assistance.

That's based on a psalm of David.

And so...

What say you?

COVID, they shut churches down altogether and, you know, a lot of us thought, "Man, that's really gonna be the death knell for a lot of churches and faith." But really, what's happened is there's been this resurgence, a, a, a big amount of interest after the death of Charlie Kirk, but that was just one step i- i- in, in coming back, wasn't it?

it?I think you're right.

One of my students, Michael Mora, who's a senior at the University of Notre Dame, recently spoke at a prayer gathering of seven- more than 7,000 college campuses had this- hosted this prayer gathering.

And he spoke at it and he said, "We're not Gen Z," which would be the last generation, the end of the alphabet.

He said, "We're the Lazarus generation." And people who are watching or listening here remember the story of Lazarus, Jesus' buddy.

He died.

Jesus came.

So are you talking about people that are, you know, in their high school years, in their 20s or 30s? What, what is this age bracket you're seeing, Jeff?

How important is this decision to you?

This is a groundbreaking decision, Steve.

Every communist country in the world says that children belong to the government.

Our country says the children belong to the parents.

They have a right to direct their upbringing.

And you cannot deprive them of that right without the due process of law.

And now the Supreme Court has finally weighed in and at least shut down this process temporarily, exposing the fact that the state of California intentionally is going after parents who believe that there are two genders.

We need to stop playing these sorts of make-believe games, don't we?

So why not try something new?

I think every nation that joins the Gaza Board of Peace is a refutation of the United Nations.

And they're not only committing their nation's efforts, they're committing a billion dollars each, every single country that joins it.

And I think they are all saying, look, the United Nations had their shot in Gaza.

They couldn't do it.

They messed it up.

There was more money going into Gaza.

Your thoughts?

gets killed join me to discuss this the president of summit ministries dr jeff myers uh jeff nice to see you you know there's an old saying you get what you vote for the problem is i think there's a lot of people in new york city that just shrug their shoulders and say and go on with their day and don't consider it but the jewish people certainly aren't shrugging their shoulders they've got a serious um threat on their hands don't they

Steve, this has been a growing threat for a long time for Jewish people in New York City.

The Anti-Defamation League has tracked anti-Jewish hate crimes for many, many years.

They saw a spike from about 2,000 a year nationally to 9,000 a year nationally in 2023, 24, 25.

But the only thing that's changed in New York that resulted in this most recent spike is that Zahra Mondami has become the mayor.

Now, listen, this is one of my academic areas of study, and it's something I teach young adults about at Summit Ministries.

If you're a leader, you're responsible for your rhetoric.

That's what you're saying.

Your thoughts?

Two thirds of college students have said that they have faked a belief in what their professor is saying in order to get by in a class.

And this is really the perfect storm of a situation.

It was a fairly meaningless online class that students are somehow required to take.

They were reading a mediocre academic article with an unclear assignment asking students to give their feelings about the topic.

And then it was graded by a teaching assistant.

And if you've ever been in a class with teaching assistants, that's not the same thing as having a professor look at your work.

That just solves that one symptom of the problem, right?

That's what it looks like to me.

I think that's a big part of it.

And I would go even further and say the federal government came in and marginalized all of the efforts of states.

We had 50 possible experiments for how you handle things like homelessness.

And the federal government came in and shut all of those down.

A lot of the people who were on the streets now are mentally ill.

That goes back to a trend called deinstitutionalization where mental hospitals were shut down because they said, oh, we'll just put them in community settings and we'll give them drugs.

And wouldn't that ease the financial burden on these local municipalities that are all broke, the county governments that are all broke, the state governments that just about all of them are all broke? Why would you refuse the help?

We need to do a better job protecting Christians globally by using the strength of Washington and the White House, do we not?

I believe that's exactly right.

You know, my friend Matthew Faraci says it's almost like a new Monroe Doctrine that the president has put forward.

We are going to talk about religious liberty issues, religious freedom, and it's a very simple right.

It is the fundamental right.

If a nation diminishes people's ability to worship God as they see fit, they will begin to attack all other freedoms.

So the trick in Syria right now is that these government forces have essentially surrounded this community of Druze and Christians.

We just have to.