you get a sense of that when you go out and talk to people at events and things like that?

You know, it may be even more detailed because music is such an abstract thing.

Even when there's lyrics involved, I would say, like, especially, again, for me as a listener, the words don't mean a whole lot to me when I'm listening to music.

It's about the music itself.

It's about the little moments and the surprises and the ideas that come out of this abstract stuff.

called music where it's just like different frequencies playing with each other and it's like condensed it's like a condensed emotion but very specific and with Dungeon Crawler Carl it is not condensed With audiobooks, it's not condensed at all.

It's very, very specific, and it is a particular story, and it's things that people say, and it's the order of them.

So fundamentally in your head, the donut that you have played so far is the approach to performing as donut different for the books than what you're about to do for the television series.

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Um, yeah, so I think there's probably a lot of people here who, who watch me narrate live, and they'd probably say that the most active part of my body are my eyebrows.

But yes, I, I'm as physical as I can get without, you know, hitting the microphone or something.

You know? Like, I, I have to remain under control to a certain extent to make sure that I'm close enough, that it's, you know, getting, getting picked up and everything.

But, um, physicality is part of acting.

We can hear momentum.

We can hear posture in a character's voice, not just posture in the vocal cords but in the body as well.

Yeah

Um, uh, I like that y- you say it j- it's intuitive, but have you always been able to embody so many different voices? Has it always been intuitive or?

No. Um, it's practice.

I've been narrating for 13, almost 14 years now and all the way from the beginning of my audiobook narrating career, uh, I have disliked audiobooks, uh, because I always thought they were boring and that the narrators weren't doing enough to engage me, uh, especially with fiction.

You know? It w- non-fiction it doesn't matter.

It's, you know, I've already got the context of the real world and I'm interested in the topic in the first place.

But fiction is [beep] so you gotta trick me into caring about what you're talking about, and that's always what I th- have thought of as my job.

So as a narrator I always wanna keep you engaged by making you feel as if I care as a narrator.

Yeah

Yeah.

You know? I am quite literallyUh, immersed in the world.

I, I transport myself when I'm narrating audiobooks, and it's a lot like when I'm just reading a book to myself, you know? Uh, there's, there's quite...

Uh, what I hear in my head when I'm reading books is very similar to what you're hearing come out of an audiobook that I, that I've narrated.

Uh, obviously there's the limitations of my actual instrument.

Um, so you're- what you're getting is not quite as good as what's going on in my head.

Yep

... um, that's something that I've developed over the years, you know, before Dungeon Crawler Carl.