So how big is the team? What sort of roles do you have under your purview?

Uh, so within design and, and automotive design, it really depends.

Different companies do it slightly, slightly differently.

The main things there, obviously from a design aspect, will be interior, exterior designers, color materials team, which does a lot of the, the visual work you see here.

But my team breaks up to around, I'd say, about 140-ish people.

Uh, we're based out of Southern California in, in, in Irvine.

And then we have, uh, another part of my team, which is the digital studio team, which does all UI, UX for vehicle, mobile, and some of the web work as well, is all in Palo Alto.

So maybe talk about how you design for that challenge.

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It's just one person who gives me, gives me $5 a month to stop.

Um-

[laughs]

I should have never started this whole meeting.

It was off camera we started.

I'm like, I, you know, "I gotta break these guys.

We-- They just have to be humans," because I've interacted with you both offline, and you're both fun.