Jeff, were you kind of e- encouraging Brock to lean into a bit of that and help Craig at, at this stage?

My lifetime with Brock, and it was a lifetime.

Obviously, I started as a kid, um, at, at HDT.

Actually Special Vehicles, I first started.

And, um, the only reason I got the job was, um- Uh, I w- I was waiting for an interview.

There w- it was, it was Brock, Slug, John Harvey, and um, and Phil Brock.

Anyway, I was waiting to...

[laughs]

Yep.

So I lived and breathed around Dad and the business.

And so Dad was cactus because he was a big prick.

And...

And I was always Cactus Junior.

I was a little prick around Dad.

So anyway, Dad, I mean, just when it was Dad and I, he just called me Cactus.

Do you think we lost a skill set when all this has happened? Yeah.