So therefore, we must presume that the senator is on opposite sides of the president, no matter what the issue is, even this one?

Yeah, well, definitely these senators and I believe Bernie Moreno is joined with Alyssa Slotkin to try to get a law to keep Chinese vehicles from coming into the U.S., even if they're built here.

President is going to meet with President Xi.

I'm not sure if it's next week, but in the very near future.

And there's a lot of concern that they will announce some sort of Chinese automaking facility in the U.S., So we'll see.

That's the interesting thing about the auto industry.

There are a number of sides to every story, and you never know how it's going to end up.

America sells a lot of cars in China, don't they?

Is that too dramatic or is that realistic?

Well, you know, I was thinking about that, and apparently I'm talking to you on a Chinese intelligence gathering operation.

It's called an iPhone, which is made in China.

So it has cameras, and it has different kinds of sensors.

So if you really want to take that to the extreme...

But, yeah, there are two schools of thoughts here.

One school of thought is...

So therefore, we must presume that the senator is on opposite sides of the president, no matter what the issue is, even this one?

It

excites everybody.

This is new.

This is shiny.

This is something that we haven't seen in a while.

Going off that point, Gary, you're also on the jury for North American Car Truck of the Year.

and we're in the process now of voting from all the vehicles that are new for this model year to, okay, what are going to be the contenders? I just took my vote, and as a board member, I was kind of involved in putting the list together, but I didn't really start thinking about it until I was ready to vote, and I looked at it, I've got to say, this year's crop of new vehicles, period, is not very exciting because, A, you've had all this money that was put into EVs that was all of a sudden scrapped and not put into conventional vehicles.

I mean, what's your sense of what they were and what they are and what they could be?

And so if you were into cars and you were into General Motors and you were into the president giving one of his walloping, entertaining kind of speeches about himself mainly, that's what you got?

Yeah, I mean, it really, I've never covered a Trump rally.

The only other time I covered him was an auto-related visit, but this seemed very much like your typical Trump rally.

There were a lot of Trump supporters there.

In fact, it was kind of rough at the beginning.

It was a hot, humid day, and when I came there going through the press line, there were a lot of people who had lined up for hours, and the EMS was very busy treating people who couldn't deal with the heat.

There were at least two people that I saw who had to be pulled out on stretchers waiting to get in.

Well, the great one's Wayne Gretzky, but the greatest of them all is Gordie Howell.

So if you were into cars and you were into General Motors and you were into the president giving one of his walloping, entertaining kind of speeches about himself mainly, that's what you got?

Yeah, I mean, it really, I've never covered a Trump rally.

The only other time I covered him was an auto-related visit, but this seemed very much like your typical Trump rally.

There were a lot of Trump supporters there.

In fact, it was kind of rough at the beginning.

It was a hot, humid day, and when I came there going through the press line, there were a lot of people who had lined up for hours, and the EMS was very busy treating people who couldn't deal with the heat.

There were at least two people that I saw who had to be pulled out on stretchers waiting to get in.

Well, the great one's Wayne Gretzky, but the greatest of them all is Gordie Howe.

So is it your sense, as you're talking to people in the industry, that they are willing to adapt their product plans in order to address this lower end of the market? Or are they just basically going, you know what? It is going to be what it's going to be.

Let's look at the product lineup for GM and Ford over the past two or three decades.

So much has disappeared at the low end.

And we keep adding more on to F-150s, F-250s, Silverados, heavy duties, etc.

So, you know, small cars mean small profits, as you've often heard.

So, you know, I...

I don't see a huge push.

what I'm asking,