Was there a specific experience, mentor, or even a non-architectural influence that shaped your understanding of architecture as something that must also be performed and communicated effectively? I think it

is.

So I spent 20 some odd years in firms before.

really taken a tangent onto this, to this wild journey.

And I think I'm continually impressed today by my clients who are firm leaders.

That's, that's who hires me.

Um, I was, I was sitting and thinking, um, last week, I think it was, I think it's always important to, to reevaluate who you're working for, who you're doing work for, what your niche is, who your ideal client is, things like that.

When your own careers view decades from now, what kind of impact do you hope people say Jeff Eccles had on the AEC