12:44What else surprised you?
12:46Uh, y- you know, I, I think the, one of the biggest things that surprised me was just the fact that we were able to do it.
12:51I mean, I'm gonna be honest.
12:52Like, the, the big goal of the first-- The goal of this first study, you're absolutely right, this was retrospective, but this wasn't, like, really even a comparison.
12:58I mean, I wa- I was just talking to, uh, a colleague before.
13:01We talked about how, hey, we did something interesting and we wrote it down.
13:05And we talked about how different places can do this interesting thing, and here were the outcomes, and the outcomes are impressive, but the outcomes really aren't compared against anything.
17:18How did you protocolize that?