Um, And so I'm wondering if you could just briefly retell that story and go through some of the things that are still going on and how you've been surviving during this period of political persecution that has even lasted into the second Trump administration.

It's still continuing, Nick.

And, you know, thanks for the opportunity to do that.

So, yeah, let me go back in time to to Fannie Willis.

Right.

So it's it's it's 2023 and things have already heated up against me, you know, starting with big New York Times headlines.

Front page story from two days after Joe Biden was sworn in as president, you know, as Saturday as that was.

And I should caveat that there are some good people involved, too.

Jeff Clark, take it away, sir.

Well, thanks for having me, Steve.

Look, this is an incredibly important set of revelations that, uh, John Solomon was involved in with this Operation Round River.

I mean, how many operations are we up to at this point? Crossfire Hurricane, Arctic Frost, Rampart 12, uh, Oxford Comma.

I mean, these people were completely out of control.

And if you think of Crossfire Hurricane, Steve, just to put it in context, as a massive offensive operation against Trump, um, which is to defend the deep state from itself, so all these things have offensive and defensive components.

But, but O- Operation Crossfire, uh, uh, Hurricane was really designed to kind of blunt Trump if he couldn't be taken out entirely, you know, feed into Special Counsel Mueller, et cetera.

Jeff Clarke.

Jeff Clark, take it away, sir.

Well, thanks for having me, Steve.

Look, this is an incredibly important set of revelations that John Solomon was involved in with this Operation Round River.

I mean, how many operations are we up to at this point? Crossfire, Hurricane, Arctic Frost, Rampart 12, Oxford Comma.

I mean, these people were completely out of control.

And if you think of Crossfire, Hurricane, Steve, just to put it in context, as a massive offensive operation against Trump, which is to defend the deep state from itself.

So all these things have offensive and defensive components.

Jeff Clark.

W- Tell me, walk me through it.

Well, what, what, uh, we're in the first stages of trying to stop, Steve.

So, uh, uh, Governor Wes Moore in Maryland as part of these Democrat redistricting efforts, uh, and a response to the Supreme Court Dale decision in which race-based gerrymandering was deemed ruled unconstitutional.

He called a special session, which at the time he called it was already late.

Uh, and then the outcome of that, uh, three-day super rush process was to put, uh, for November a constitutional referendum on the ballot that will allow, uh, Maryland to redraw its federal congressional districts.

And what are they aiming at? They're aiming at tape- taking out, uh, Andy Harris, the representative of the Eastern Shore, the last Republican left, so that they can have an 8-0 Democrat map, uh, gerrymandered in Maryland.

And so we brought suit, we filed yesterday, and we're seeking a preliminary injunction.

Just give me a minute or two for this audience of how they tried to destroy Jeff Clark, who stood in the breach with President Trump, the MAGA movement, and for this country, sir.

Walk me through it.

Well, what we're in the first stages of trying to stop, Steve.

So Governor Westmore in Maryland, as part of these Democrat redistricting efforts and a response to the Supreme Court Kalei decision in which race based gerrymandering was deemed ruled unconstitutional.

He called a special session, which at the time he called it was already late.

And then the outcome of that three-day super-rush process was to put, for November, a constitutional referendum on the ballot that will allow Maryland to redraw its federal congressional districts.

And what are they aiming at? They're aiming at taking out Andy Harris, the representative of the Eastern shore, the last Republican left so that they can have an eight zero Democrat map, uh, gerrymandered in Maryland.

And so we brought suit, we filed yesterday and we're seeking a preliminary injunction.

What happened to you? How did they just give me a minute or two for this audience of how they tried to destroy Jeff Clark, who stood in the breach with President Trump, the MAGA movement and for this country, sir?

Just your overall thought on a guy like John Cornyn, Jeff Clark.

Sure, uh, Steve.

Look, I don't understand why John Cornyn's essentially aligning himself with the Jamie Raskin view of the world in the House, right? I mean, you know, it's the other party.

I, I can totally understand why Jamie Raskin wants to kill any attempt to repay those who suffered from the lawfare during the Biden administration, but I don't understand why it's such a bugaboo for, uh, an ostensibly conservative Republican senator.

It, it feels like he's upset about the fact that Trump endorsed Paxton as, uh, in the primary, um, and, uh, that, you know, Paxton has won, and he's, he's kind of engaging in payback, and I, I think that's petty.

I think people would look back better on John Cornyn, uh, if he just did the right thing and voted to approve Todd Blanche in committee, and then he went to the full floor and got confirmed.

President Trump needs his fully confirmed attorney general, and if we look at how things work out on the flip side, I mean, the Republicans just seem to roll over for whomever Democrat presidents wanna put in place.

Walk us through what you found, and I wanna make sure we maybe even do a split screen and put Jeff's, put Jeff's Twitter feed up there, sir.

Just your overall thought on Galley John Cornyn, Jeff Clark.

Sure, Steve.

Look.

I don't understand why John Cornyn's essentially aligning himself with the Jamie Raskin view of the world in the House, right? I mean, you know, it's the other party.

I can totally understand why Jamie Raskin wants to kill any attempt to repay those who suffered from the lawfare during the Biden administration, but I don't understand why it's such a bugaboo for an ostensibly conservative Republican senator.

It feels like He's upset about the fact that Trump endorsed Paxton in the primary and that Paxton has won.

And he's kind of engaging in payback.

Sir.

What do you make of those cases? What do you suspect is gonna happen there?

Look, I, I know a lot more about, uh, Georgia because that was the focus of what I was investigating when I was last at the Justice Department in 2020 and early 2021, um, than I do about Maricopa County.

What I know about Maricopa County are things that I've read, cases that I've followed, you know, what happened with, uh, Carrie Lake and what happened with, uh, you know, people who go to vote, and it turns out magically they don't have the right size paper, and that that also targets Republican, uh, districts, right? Um, I, I think that Fulton County is a hotbed of corruption, and that's why I was suspicious of Fulton County.

So I, I hope that the investigation bears out my intuitions, which is that, you know, there was corruption there, and I know, you know, that, that, uh, there are various forms of corruption in 2020, like the fact that they didn't do signature verification on the ballots even though that was a clear, uh, requirement of, of Georgia law.

And so, uh, you know, I think these are, these are serious election cases that have to be watched, but I think that the, the Republican establishment in Georgia, for whatever reason, seems to have been captured by people who are all adjacent to Governor Kemp, and they promote their own power, but they don't seem like they're really on board with how the Republican Party has changed and become more populist under, under President Trump.

Um, you know, they're stuck in a kind of perpetual, uh, Bushite mode.

Um, and, you know, uh, I, I... it's kind of like a political machine that's corrupt in its own way, and for that reason, i- especially given the racial dimension of the population in Fulton County, they, they, I think they tend to roll over far too much.

Jeff Clark, tell me about the advice that you offered, a legal advice you offered in, during the 2020 election, and the nightmare that it's led to for you since then.

To our knowledge, China, I don't know that China was known to have or actively interfered in 2020, but what's the thought of the actual interference that might have resulted from this breach of data?

Sure.

So I saw one document that indicated that it was declassified on July 10th.

So that's just a week ago today.

But I think they were getting their ducks in a row before they actually put the documents up on a website.

And then they had the president say, Speaking about it, as I understand, the president was originally set to speak, David, on Tuesday.

But for, you know, he's a busy guy for various reasons.

What are you up to there?

Jeff Clark, give me your, uh, thoughts last night when you heard the president address the nation.

Sure.

So Steve, look, this is, uh, personal vindication for me, so I was particularly pleased.

The president covered four topics.

Uh, so let me just list them quickly before I go through them.

One is the, uh, Chinese, uh, election penetration and the fact that they have 220 million plus of our voter files in ways that they can manipulate.

Uh, second, the component that, uh, we know from Venezuela that the computer election systems can be hacked in undetectable ways.

Tell me about your victory.

Jeff Clark, give me your thoughts last night when you heard the president address the nation.

Sure.

So, Steve, look, this is personal vindication for me.

So I was particularly pleased.

The president covered four topics.

So let me just list them quickly before I go through them.

One is the Chinese election penetration and the fact that they have 220 million plus of our voter files in ways that they can manipulate.

You're going to have to have ice these polling stations, correct?

What's your reaction?

I think that Jack Smith's going to try to split hairs on that, Matt, and it's good to be with you.

He's going to try to say that, look, I subpoenaed information that got me, you know, who called whom on cell phone records, and that that did not get the content of the information from the members of Congress and senators.

But the information that he got from the White House, from their text messages, et cetera, did include communications from members of Congress.

And so he'll say there are two different sources, and so therefore what I said when I was narrowly being asked about this topic is not a lie.

But good luck with that defense.

I think the members of Congress should expect more candor from someone who's supposed to be a public servant.

Jeff, how repeatable is this problem? We see Todd Blanch on Capitol Hill today doing a terrific job in his confirmation hearing, but can Blanch, with the time he has left, kind of rid the Justice Department of this muscle memory to weaponize?

Look, this is a crisis of the legitimacy of government during the Biden era, and these tapes that Joe Biden did with his ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer, uh, for which he got paid $8 million, by the way, uh, in a book advance-

advance-They go back to 2016 and 2017.

And so we believe that when we can actually hear these tapes, especially in the audio form and not just look at them on paper, they're gonna show that he was not fit for office even to run, that he was senile as of 2016, 2017.

It's just that it got worse as we saw, and, and I think difficult for them to somehow prop him up with, you know, injections or supplements or something to kinda get him into shape, but he did crash and burn of the de- in the debate, as you, uh, showed in that clip.

And look, the American people are entitled to know that that is the state of someone who is supposed to be wielding the unitary power of the executive, where the buck stops, as, as Harry Truman would say, for all decisions in the executive branch.

In reality, we believe, uh, that, and the autopen use, you know, that was, uh, out the wazoo, shows that there was really a, a, a committee of sorts, uh, of unknown dimensions and, uh, with unknown members who was actually running the country.

It's worse than the idea that, you know, a, a, the wife of Woodrow Wilson was kinda temporarily trying to paper things over for a, a period of time.

One of the biggest problems we have, and I'll go back to Mike, is, you know, it all depends on what judge you get, what jurisdiction you get, and if you have a liberal activist judge, then you're in trouble.

Does this feel uncomfortable to you?

It's totally a racket.

I mean, let's just start with Norm Eisen, who runs this know states united uh democratic uh outfit i mean i don't know how many salaries this guy you know collects right he's got a law firm he's got states united he runs this uh media outlet called uh the um the contrarian he also is a fellow at brookings i mean he's making millions upon millions of dollars and it's clearly being funded by some dark money from the left And so he has that money.

He whips it all up.

He packages it.

And then he goes to the leftist state attorney generals and he says, boy, do I have a deal for you.

I'm going to send you free lawyers.

It eventually ended, but that was the first time red flags were raised about private nonprofit support for what are supposed to be government actions.

This feeling comfortable to you?

It's totally a racket.

I mean, let's just start with Norm Eisen, who runs this States United Democratic outfit.

I mean, I don't know how many salaries this guy collects, right? He's got a law firm.

He's got States United.

He runs this media outlet called The Contrarian.

He also is a fellow at Brookings.

But that was the first time red flags were raised about private nonprofit support for what are supposed to be government actions.

So first, for our listeners, uh, just catching up with this story, what exactly are these tapes, and why is Heritage working hard to get them released?

These tapes are very important.

Joe Biden put together a biography, An Objective View, was designed to tell so many of his personal story, and sad story of the death of his son at a young age, who was clearly being groomed for higher political office, to lead that into a potential future presidential campaign for, for Joe Biden.

And so that is, in itself, very newsworthy, very interesting, very important to the government.

And, you know, he opened his kimono, and he made various disclosures to this ghostwriter, uh, Zwonitzer, and we want to know what he told him.

This is particularly important because this has a close nexus to the documents case that was, uh, being looked at by DOJ and the Biden administration for, uh, President Biden, when he was both a senator in the United States Senate and vice president, but not president, uh, taking classified documents home with him.

And we know from what's already come out that, uh, he talked to Zwonitzer about those classified documents, may have showed some of those documents to him.

What do you think Biden's lawyers are most worried about? Is it the, the privacy? Is it the classified information, or is it ultimately public perception?

Please go

ahead.

Here's what it is in a nutshell.

It's an attempt to Islamicize a local community to set up a housing development that where really only Muslim, you know, Islam worshiping people are welcomed.

It's part of you know, a mosque set up, you know, it's run by people who are tied to care.

It's run really for the benefit of Shiite Muslims.

So, I'm sorry, Sunni Muslims.

How will this ultimately end? Does this get all the way to the Supreme Court, you think?

I mean, they're very strategic about how they do this, correct? These are just not random events when you see this from the other side, correct?

That's correct.

Look, what happened to John is a total travesty.

I've, you know, spoken in support of John many times.

Uh, and, uh, look, he and I were both targeted by this thing called, called The 65 Project and a whole bunch of leftist NGOs.

But you're right, Steve, they target the people who on our side are effective.

If you don't have, uh, them coming after you, it means that they think you're not worth going after.

Because th-they're sitting there thinking, and this is most evil of them, the people like Weissman, the people like Norm Eisen, they're sitting there going, "This time we have to deliver a death blow to Trump and Trumpism." Jeff Clark, your observations, sir.