And to talk to talk about harps briefly again she really went through it as well i'm sure chris really went through it where he's like oh my god you know what's going on and not that i'm saying that it was easy for you i'm just saying that that broader impact sometimes can help people put into perspective what they're doing because they feel like they're working hard for the people around them but if you overdo it you're also then harming them as well um but how do you try and keep check of that um go go go mentality and making sure that you're striving for your best but um almost i guess running a marathon and not over over sprinting in the first 100 meters have you got any tips

But a lot of this comes down to self-awareness, you know, because we're all different.

So there isn't a magic formula that works for everyone.

You have to think about your energy and when you're at your optimum energy.

I'm very much a morning person.

I like to be up early.

Come 10 o'clock, I'm well in bed on a normal night.

What are the things that your clients are coming to you for help most on? It'd be good just to spend a couple of minutes highlighting the current challenges out there and some of the ways people are thinking about them.

Can you give some examples of strategies that have worked for you, either currently or in the past, that, that might be worth sharing, um, to the viewers and listeners?

Yeah, I mean, I think, um, you know, we overcomplicate things in business sometimes.

You know, we all have a tendency.

And, and actually keeping it...

I like simple things that work, basically.

[laughs] That's what I like in business.

Um, and, and as human beings, I think, you know, we, uh, we sometimes fill the gaps, right? [laughs] With too much stuff.

Yeah.

And to talk about harps briefly again she really went through it as well i'm sure chris really went through it where he's like oh my god you know what's going on and not that i'm saying that it was easy for you i'm just saying that that broader impact sometimes can help people put into perspective what they're doing because they feel like they're working hard for the people around them but if you overdo it you're also then harming them as well um but how do you try and keep check of that go go go mentality and making sure that you're striving for your best but almost i guess running a marathon and not over over sprinting in the first 100 meters have you got any tips

But a lot of this comes down to self-awareness, you know, because we're all different.

So there isn't a magic formula that works for everyone.

You have to think about your energy and when you're at your optimum energy.

I'm very much a morning person.

I like to be up early.

Come 10 o'clock, I'm well in bed on a normal night, but I'm up at five.

What are the things that your clients are coming to you for help most on? It'd be good just to spend a couple of minutes highlighting the current challenges out there and some of the ways people are thinking about them.

What happened? Give us a bit about that and we'll jump in.

Yeah, so it kind of evolved, in all honesty, Adam, because when I came out of corporate, the next natural thing for me to do would have been to go and do another CEO, because you still have it in the back of your mind, or if another great offer comes along, well, you're going to look at it, right? Of course you are.

What ended up happening, I'd done lots of mergers and acquisitions when I was at TUI, in particular, when I was the MD of the emerging markets, we were buying and selling businesses all over the world.

And so I had that M&A background just from having been self-taught really to a certain degree in the corporate.

So I was well connected with private equity.

So what started happening was that I was getting approached to do advisory work on deals.

So a private equity house, which is a business that raises a fund, they normally invest in other businesses with a view to turn them around in three or four years' time and making a profit.

that there's different opinions, but tell me from what's your philosophy around leadership?

But I love everything else about it.

Yeah, we have to do what we have to do, don't we? My weekly commute used to be to Beijing or Delhi, you know, 12-hour flight, eight-hour time difference.

You know, so it's just different.

You do what you need to do, don't you, to serve your clients.

But before we continue, I want to speak directly to those of you who are listening and thinking, I know I'm capable of more.

But I need structure.

I need some help.

So what do you think makes Brave, Bold and Brilliant different and maybe better than other similar consultancies that are out there?

so um what do you think makes brave bold and brilliant different and maybe better than other similar consultancies that are out there

Well, in all honesty, you know, the big difference between us and there are some fantastic, fantastic organizations, you know, and there's a lot of different approaches you can take to actually, you know, developing yourself as a leader and also your business strategy.

But I think the big difference for us is that we bring together those three elements of leading yourself, leading your team, leading the business.

So that's the first thing.

Because if you look at most consultants, they'll focus on this on the business strategy.

Most L&D or personal development are focusing on leadership and maybe a bit of team performance.

But no one, no one, I believe, actually brings the whole thing together, which is what is needed to be successful in business.

things.

So maybe you can explain a little about how you were And then what happened when you got sick?

Sure.

Yeah, no, it's a really interesting topic, isn't it? Because I think we all think we're invincible.

And if you're an ambitious person, which, you know, I am, I think you are as well.

You know, the temptation is it's always go, go, go, isn't it? You know, it's on to the next thing.

And and that's, of course, is what helps us be successful.

You know, that drive, that push to want to be more, to give more, to make a bigger impact.

Talk us through what that, what that looks like.

to

put yourself in the other people's shoes quite a lot as well, right? And I think if you do that and you, you know, then you understand where that person is coming from more.

So you're able to bring out the best in them.

And not everyone will have the same ambitions as you.

Not everyone will want to go at the same pace as you.

But I think if you can recognize each other's differences, celebrate the similarities and give people, especially your team, the power and the autonomy to do their jobs.

Yes, be there to guide, support, you know, but there's nothing worse than someone that micromanages.

And I would love to hear from you as a leader and as an influential voice, what that means to you.