that's what kept me oh yeah yeah um okay so i gotta ask you a question about leadership because you've been yourself but also around a lot of leaders are leaders born or are they made so it's kind of a nature nurture question

Yeah, I think they're made at the end of the day, right? When we're going home at the end of the night when you're done with work, I mean, you're putting yourself and your personal life almost in the forefront when you talk about the leadership.

So everything that you do in your day-to-day life builds you into that leader.

So I think they're necessarily like made.

And so I think some people do have qualities when they're born to be a leader, but most of the times I think they're made like old fashioned way of like just having those same, those same like routines and going through that, that type of emotion.

All right, last question is, what should we be doing in moving people around? What you do right now in relocation, what should we be thinking of that we're not thinking of?

Yeah, I think a lot of times when you talk about like relocations, you talk about moving people in their personal life, right? A lot of times, a lot of companies are like, we need to just hire remote.

It's a lot of remote workers.