Why would they like us?

Right.

The fear, the concern I have is that even through all these years of looking at this, I have no idea as to the intent of these non-human children in life and the UAP, everything that's here.

Why are they here? I think there's parts of the government that even at my level, you know, working against the other parts of the government that may know those answers.

You know, big drivers for the reason why not to disclose over the years has been economics and religion have been two big ones.

We don't know what it will do to the stock market, and we don't know how some of the religion, religious aspects can handle it.

You know, the Catholic Church has been pretty vocal about the fact that there's no way we're alone in the universe and other things.

How about his role in all this?

So why was now the time to write out of the shadows and tell your story publicly? What do you want people to understand that they don't understand today?

Well, we're not alone in the universe.

We're not the only intelligent life in the universe.

We don't know the intent of the human intelligent life that's here.

That's a lot of things that are... concerning, but the reality is that over the last 20 years, I've been working in the shadows to push the fact that the UAP are real, they're here, and that the world deserves to know the truth, and we've got to be more open and transparent about that.

It's just that basic fact that we're not alone in the universe.

And for the last four years, you know, leaving the government behind the scenes, I'm still working with Congress and the executive branch to help facilitate legislation and everything to get us where we need to be, but also just tapping into the American public and really the world.

put five bucks on it, but you hope that happens.

But what is it about the UAP?

Yeah, so I changed that.

I'm the one that made it UAP versus UAP.

ufo and a key reason for that was because ufo you know thanks man uh you know ufo comes with this connotation a little green man right people immediately jump to that uh and ignore everything else and then you get the stigma and the ridicule factor and everything that comes from the the whole little green man uh and and i knew as the guy had worked this for a long time in the government and we transitioned we were transitioning to this new uap task force that i was building that i had to have a new name for it and this is Obviously, before the UAP task force, as I was building it, because the UAP is in the name.

But the reality that I knew was if I was trying to get into Congress, to the White House or anywhere else with a quote unquote UFO briefing, that I wasn't going to be taken seriously.

And if I rebranded this into something new and actually it's a much better and encompassing term because these UFOs were thought of as nuts and bolts flying craft UAP anomalies.

unidentified anomalous phenomena brings in the fact that these things transition from seabed to space, transmedium, and really aren't just flying objects.

They just screwed it up.

But what is it about the UAP?

Yeah, so I changed that.

I'm the one that made it UAP versus UAP.

ufo and a key reason for that was because ufo you know thanks man uh you know ufo comes with this connotation a little green man right people immediately jump to that uh and ignore everything else and then you get the stigma and the ridicule factor and everything that comes from the the whole little green man uh and and i knew as the guy had worked this for a long time in the government and we transitioned we were transitioning to this new uap task force that i was building that i had to have a new name for it and this is obviously before the UAP task forces, I was building it because the UAP is in the name.

But the reality that I knew was if I was trying to get into Congress to the white house or anywhere else with a quote unquote UFO briefing that I wasn't going to be taken seriously.

And if I rebranded this into something new and they actually, it's a much better and encompassing term because these UFOs are, were, were thought of as nuts and bolts flying craft UAP anomaly, you know, unidentified anomalous phenomena brings in the fact that these things transition from seabed to space, transmedium, and really aren't just flying objects.

They are a lot more than that.

They just screwed it up.

When you went into this in 2005, I guess you were not privileged to some of the information that was before, from 1947, if we use that Roswell as a source of, I guess, timeline when UFOs became popular.

Right.

So a lot of, I was able to catch up through normal reading and things available to everybody, but During the course of my investigation at the Program and Defense Intelligence Agency in 2008, as I started digging into this deeper, is when I uncovered this deeply hidden program we call the Legacy Program, or it's called the Legacy Program, which is comprised of CIA, Air Force, Department of Energy, and defense contractors.

And their role is to capture, recover, and reverse engineer craft of non-human technology.

And as I was talking and working with the senior executive within the defense contractor community, over a series of months, we got more comfortable.

And he really is the guy who opened up and told me all of this history on this program.

And it was very frustrating for me as the guy responsible for UAP, for the defense department, uap for the intelligence community to know that this program that has potentially all of these answers existed and they weren't sharing with anyone i mean put yourself in my shoes imagine if i'm the guy that's supposed to be briefing uh counterterrorism concerns to the president and there's this whole program in the government that understands everything about al-qaeda but isn't telling anyone anything and 9-11 happens so my real concern was trying to get in there, understand what they know, and letting that broaden my knowledge.

So

So when you went into this in 2005, I guess you were not privileged to some of the information that was before, from 1947, if we use that Roswell as a source of, I guess, timeline when UFOs became popular.

Right.

I was able to catch up through normal reading and things available to everybody, but During the course of my investigation at the Program and Defense Intelligence Agency in 2008, as I started digging into this deeper, is when I uncovered this deeply hidden program we call the Legacy Program, or it's called the Legacy Program, which is comprised of CIA, Air Force, Department of Energy, and defense contractors, and their role is to capture, recover, and reverse engineer these craft of non-human technology.

And as I was talking and working with the senior executive within the defense contractor community, over a series of months, we got more comfortable, and he really is the guy who opened up and told me all of this history on this program.

And it was very frustrating for me as the guy responsible for UAP, for the defense, or UAP for the intelligence community, to know that this program that has potentially all of these answers existed, and they weren't sharing with anyone.

I mean, put yourself in my shoes.

Imagine if I'm The guy who's supposed to be briefing counterterrorism concerns to the president, and there's this whole program in the government that understands everything about al-Qaeda but isn't telling anyone anything, and 9-11 happens.

us one revelation about the communications you have something you learned

What do you say to them?

It's the big picture.

I had spent a number of years investigating UAP and non-human intelligent life on behalf of the US government.

I'm married, I have two children, and for many, many years, my work was so classified that I couldn't talk about it.

And it was like the door to my home was the blockade to two different realms, right? And the fact that non-human intelligence in life, as I was investigating on behalf of the government, they seemed to be investigating me or starting to pay attention to me, and that followed me home.

And on one hand, I was upset that my work had followed me home.

But on the other, it was a relief because now I can talk to my family about what I have been investigating, what I've been doing.

What do you think is the giggle factor? First of all, do you think the giggle factor is on purpose? Do you think that that was done by the government so that people wouldn't take it seriously? And second of all, how do you get past that?

That was the call you got from Top Gun.

Yes, Brett.

I got a phone call from two flag officers, two different admirals and a commander who was their senior intelligence officer.

And they said, Jay, we've seen it with our own eyes.

So these guys are the cream of the crop, and they saw UAP phase in, was their own words, over the training building on the compound.

And it just disappeared as fast as it was there.

Then the rest of the story, or the more important part of the story is, in order to really understand that information, I need to get it into the intelligence record.

Critics say if this is real, why put it in a book that you're selling? Why not say to Capitol Hill, I'm here, this is what I know, let's talk about this.