So is that where we start, Jaye?

That's certainly where we can identify where we put our feet first.

Right.

But we need to actually look back, all of us, and particularly non-Indigenous peoples.

And again, I will say non-Indigenous is not just white Australians.

They are anyone who has migrated to this country from 1788 and across the 237 years.

to get to this point.

not a not a planned not a planned yeah deliberate yeah yeah okay so Jay are teachers engaging with this sort of work