What, what do you gain by actually being in class with me versus, say, just, just reading the book? What, what do you feel might be different or what, what added value would there be for people?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, a book is great.

Uh, a book is you disseminating information.

Um, and if I wanna dive deeper, wanna understand more about what you're talking, there are questions, it's not exactly the easiest thing to just quickly say, "Well, Martin, what did you mean by that?" Um, you know, and I think that's one of the pieces that the course really offered, was over this period of, you know, more than a couple months to really learn from your experience, from your way of working, from your orientation to the world, and you engaged us as students within that process.

So there were case studies, there were examples, there were, um, you know, the integration call that you had three days ago that felt applicable to what we were working on that week, um, that you're just not gonna get from reading a book or listening to a podcast.

Uh, real practical application, you asking us questions, engaging us as students, and that kind of process that says, like, there's a, a readiness then that comes at the end to move from thinking about what it is to do integration work to being, stepping into the world as an integration specialist.

Um, at this point, who would you recommend, uh, take the class? Like, i- in, in your mind, who do you think that this would really be applicable for?