Are there artists out there now, independent or not, that are like your North Stars of people that you haven't worked with that you'd like to work with?

Dude, yeah.

I mean, I want to work with everybody, but like Drake obviously would be the pinnacle future, Olivia Rodrigo, huge fan of Rod wave in the independent space, like Russ, like Russ would be just legendary to make happen.

But we're working at it.

We're working, working our way up there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, like, the situation of a song can mean so much more than, like, the song itself.

What was that like getting comfortable with working with new people?

I think...

It was, it's, it's interesting because there's like working with people and then there's like, like working with people over and over and over again and building the relationship.

And I had always worked with like friends, like the Colorado rappers I was working with were, we were tight.

And I've kind of tried to keep that like piece of it moving.

Like that's like me and naked or boys, Nick, a lot of people.

Yeah.

Is that like, I feel like when you're working with like Nick or Nate or even Vic, like, you know, like you can have a day where you're just like, the studio working but like they know like your reputation is it difficult when you're like working with someone for the first time and you like feel like you have to in a sense prove yourself