Hey, before we get going, I want you to tell the story for those that haven't heard it about your hole in one at waste management and the car situation there.

Sure.

Well, so I'm standing on the T and it was my shot and we didn't have the four level bleachers like they have now, the hospitality, but they had this, we called it stadium seating.

So the the hillside went straight up and they had bleacher kind of bleachers carved into the hill.

And I'll never, my routine is I put the ball on the ground and get behind the ball, see my shot and hit it.

It doesn't really take very long.

You played with me before.

Is the difficulty in putting together four great rounds like that more physical or mental? What do you think?

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You know what is funny? I'm like your son.

I'm like, it's a stick and a ball and try to put it in a hole.

One of the things that was so great about having a dad, my dad grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin and finished high school at night.

He left to play ball when he was 16.

Not educated, but had a lot of wisdom.

And Gary, he would say to me, don't think you hurt the team.

Where did you live when you were in college?

What have you noticed about the trend of removing trees from these very prestigious golf courses?

Well, what's happened, you guys, is as time goes on, if you look and see who is the designer at Shinnecock, there's about 10 or 12 guys.

So as time goes on, you know, they're trying to keep these golf courses relevant.

There's a power struggle with how far the ball is going, and they're trying to figure out that as well.

When a major tournament leaves Oakmont, for example, the country club goes back to being a country club, and they've got a board, and they've got all these guys.

And one of the things that people loved to do back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s were plant trees.

And they weren't part of the original design.

Yeah.

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... he's one of the...

When, when he, when he drives the ball like he does, like he is now, he can absolutely dismantle a golf course.

He's still long.

He's in his mid-40s.

You know, the guy's won 23 times on the PGA Tour and, and, and two major championships.

He's a great player.

Garage door opener, yes.

What have you noticed about the trend of removing trees from these very prestigious golf courses?

Well, what's happened, you guys, is as time goes on, if you look and see who is the designer at Shinnecock, there's about 10 or 12 guys.

So as time goes on, you know, they're trying to keep these golf courses relevant.

There's a power struggle with how far the ball is going, and they're trying to figure out that as well.

when when when a major tournament leaves oakmont for example the the country club goes back to being a country club and they've got a board and they've got all these guys and one of the things that people love to do back in the 40s 50s and 60s were plant trees and they weren't part of the original design they weren't part of the way that the architect saw the property and then you fast forward 30 40 years i mean oakmont took down 6 000 trees I mean, because they weren't part of the golf course.

For me, the trees make it easier.

When you go to a hole, pick anyone at Shinnecock.

about that Jay what are you you're doing a lot of YouTube now and some of your stuffs really exploded

What do you think of this change?

Yeah, you know, Randy, we've been on this path for way too long in the PGA Tour, as far as I'm concerned.

In the 90s, we created these World Golf Championships, and they were this great idea that we were going to have the best players in the world competing against each other all the time.

But what it did, Randy, is it developed a significant tier system, not only on tour, but on our sponsors.

And so if you weren't one of these tournaments, you weren't getting a field.

And what we did is we wind up pricing ourselves out of so many companies' budgets.

For example, the Shell Houston Open, Shell had had a tournament or had some sort of involvement in the PG Tour since its inception and supported golf like no other.

Who are some guys that have the game, and you mentioned the cross wins, so the game to stay out of the rough but handle the way the greens are protected at Shinnecock?

Have you seen that with other guys, and why do you think it happens with Scottie?

M- Randy, Tiger was a lot like that.

If Tiger got up to a, some sort of really good start, then it was over.

And you know what happened once Tiger got the lead.

You know, Tiger was so different.

You saw Rory with a big lead, six-shot lead at Augusta, the largest lead of all time.

And, and then wound up on Saturday getting everybody back into the mix, and then Sunday steps up and just walks away with the championship.

What did you think when you heard that your prediction came true?