Now, what would this look like in practice? And how does it compare to the sort of proxy indicators that we currently have for poverty in Australia?

Yeah, I mean, a poverty measurement is quite an interesting thing.

If you, like, yeah, I mean, we're focusing on individuals who have no, ultimately, no control over their lives, and we're asking them to be better.

And a poverty measurement is just focusing back on those individuals.

Like, the thing about a poverty measurement is, like, why don't we focus on wealth measurement.

We live in an incredibly wealthy country.

We live around billionaires and millionaires.

Now, just to wrap up, on a hopeful note, what are some useful actions that our listeners can take to lend their support to this fight to really not just re-politicize, but center the question of poverty in Australia in their political actions?