I'm surprised

...

the 25, uh, the Rule 25 motion is a, uh, it's a long shot.

I mean, uh, and Judge Muse commented on this as well.

Circumstantial evidence, uh, is every bit as probative as direct evidence.

Jurors are told when they're impaneled in a jury, "You'll hear two types of evidence: direct evidence, when somebody sees something or hears something, um, uh, witnesses something, and circumstantial evidence, where you draw inferences." Each one can be as, as, as compelling as the other.

We, as laypeople, when we hear the phrase, "Oh, a circumstantial case," that that doesn't mean anything.

Right.

Yeah.

Because if he had indicated, and you don't, you know, you could serve on a jury if you have a restraining order against you.

You could serve on your, on a jury if you have a conviction.

Uh, but would that have been a...

If, and I don't know, maybe he did fill out the juror questionnaire, but had he filled it out accurately, perhaps that would've led to a, uh, a vetting of that juror before impanelment.

And if there was any, if there was a scintilla of any, uh, bias against women or any domestic violence history, uh, there's a strong chance...

Well, there's not a strong chance.

Right.

What are your thoughts nearly a week later?

Well, as we had anticipated, jurors have come forward.

as occurred in the Karen Reed case.

What's problematic, however, is that the jurors have come forward after the jury was discharged following Judge Sullivan's determination that a manifest necessity because of the hung jury required that jury to be discharged.

So now the controversy comes related to what that first note from the foreperson stated.

And Judge Sullivan read from the note last week, a day prior to discharging the jury.

He said that the foreperson said that a juror, a holdout juror, had a doubt and would not follow the reasonable doubt charge.

Can you please just say that again? What

Can you please just say that again?

What you just said is kind of spot on.

Okay.

The medical and discussion of mental illness doesn't translate that easily into law because of what some people are putting in the chat.

These three children are dead.

We all want accountability.

And what is accountability in this case? What is fair accountability? The reality of a not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility can be indeterminate commitment to a locked hospital facility.

Judge Jay, real quick, why would someone have a phone in the deliberation? That's a question everyone is asking.