
Javier Mabrey
Colorado State Representative
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Sep 22, 2026
What Do AI Giants Really Want?
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David DayenHOST
right? You're trying to shift the burden from the local businesses who are using this technology and the people supplying the technology, right?

Javier MabreyGUEST
But the absurd thing is the conflicts of interest in the lobby on this issue were absurd.

Javier MabreyGUEST
Because if you represent the hospitals or if you represent like the universities or like the Colorado Apartment Association or the Chamber of Commerce, Your clients who are based here doing everyday business outside the scope of building frontier AI models, their incentive is to get this liability on the books for the AI companies.

Javier MabreyGUEST
So why would they not want it to be clear that the AI company is at fault if the AI did something? the discrimination.
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David DayenHOST
So, Javier, tell me about what you're trying to move in the next session around AI.
Episode 2: The Law’s Flaws
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Javier MabreyGUEST
Plea bargaining is the way our legal system operates in over 90% of the cases.

Javier MabreyGUEST
If you get convicted, you are getting 64 years, no ifs, ands, or buts about it." That makes it very hard for people to turn down plea deals.

Javier MabreyGUEST
That's one of the reasons why habitual criminal sentencing in Colorado and in other states is really sticky, is because it's the grease that makes the criminal justice system gears turn.
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22:10Ryan ConarroHOST
Javier Mabrey is the chair of the House Judiciary Committee, and Mabry brought some new points into this conversation.

Javier MabreyGUEST
You know, when we're thinking about habitual offender laws, this is all part of a political race, where people who are running for office need to seem tougher on crime than anyone else.