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Jason Stahl

Sep 28, 2026

13:13
Nobody listens to this anyway.
13:15
Yeah, exactly.
13:16
I don't know, Dave.
13:17
Gabe, I've looked at your Twitter following it.
13:19
Yeah.
13:19
I don't believe it.
13:20
So I think that by the time we get to Stanford, the pitch has gone through, God, five or six different incarnations, right? I think of what I delivered to Penn State, and then what I delivered to two other schools, and then what I delivered to the pre-Stanford school, and then what I delivered to the Stanford school.

41 MINS LATER

54:16
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6:59
You know, what's funny is, are they capping the amount they can charge for seat licenses and tickets in this bill?
7:06
Yeah, I mean, the caps are, again, hitting the crux of the problem here, right? The caps are the problem.
7:13
This legislation, which I think they've even lost the thread at what the legislation is even supposed to do.
7:19
It's taken on this sort of Frankenstein's monster form.
7:22
But what has the one thread that runs through it is we need to curtail athlete rights that they have gained.
7:30
We need to make sure we cap their compensation well into the future and These things are not done for administrators and for coaches.
7:40
Because, again, this is a workplace.
12:35
But what happens if this thing passes? Does this go to a court and then the courts will have to figure it out?
73:36
It's not for their image, and it's not for their likeness.
73:39
Right.
73:40
And so I think given the fact that we've crossed that threshold, you've seen a lot of ADs, Danny White at Tennessee, you've seen a lot of head coaches, Dabo Sweeney of all places at Clemson, stand up and say, not only should we have collective bargaining, but they should be employees because it's not – The difference between where we're at now, again, I'm speaking just a very high level college football players here, right? Right, right.
74:15
And so they need to be making wages for their work as college football players.
74:21
And then they will have collective bargaining rights under the law.
74:25
Because as you correctly said, Shannon, unless absent some sort of federal legislation, they do need to be employees to have collective bargaining rights.
74:34
Does that mean that every college athlete needs to be an employee? No, it does not.

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81:01
And so people understand, what is the actual goal of the College Football Players Association? Yeah.
20:09
So walk me through, walk me through day one.
20:11
No, d- day one definitely, I mean, didn't feel really comfortable.
20:15
[laughs] We, we took off.
20:17
The w- the weather was pretty nice.
20:18
Uh, we had probably an hour and a half or so in the morning, or I did anyway.
20:23
I was one of the last ones out.
20:26
Got out around 7:30 or so.

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29:34
Like, like at any point in time like that start to think any kind of thing in terms of, um, you know, your chances, uh, you know, your confidence? Like, like maybe, you know, what, what's kind of the emotional update at that point?

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