Wow.

Like, energy healing and, like, emotional healing, yeah.

And what ended up happening, so I got certified.

I started learning some tech- some of those techniques, I think 18 or 19 years ago, but then I actually got certified in 2013, so 13 years ago.

And then about seven years ago, I was sitting on the couch one Sunday afternoon watching the Bears game, and they were sucking.

They were just terrible.

And, uh, Jay Quarter was qu- was, uh...

Right.

Okay

... doing training and management, and before that, I had a restaurant.

So what happened was I, um, I take, I took some time off of university and opened a restaurant, had that going for a couple years.

Uh, it was a second location of a place I had been working at when I was in high school, and just continued working there.

And you know, after two years, we unfortunately couldn't make a go of it and had to close down.

[clears throat] But so what happened, I went back to, to school.

I went back to university and finished up my degree.

When you see the businesses that get it right, where they have those two-way conversations, what is it that they do about the hiring, and maybe tapping into the motivation of the people coming into the organization, that sets them up for sustainability? 'Cause one of the success factors of most small businesses is the low attrition rate because people wanna stick around, and they wanna keep, keep being invested in the business.