so how did that affect your process in making the record

well still standing maybe i may be jumping ahead here but most really serious scorcher fans don't consider that our best records you know and a lot of folks will blame tom worman saying he overproduced it or He made it different than what the band really should have been.

I don't really think that's fair to Tom.

I think he actually was a pretty good producer for us.

He had the chops.

I think that we just were in such a strange state mentally that we weren't, you know, we didn't have the same level of songwriting on Still Standing that we had on The Lesson Found or Fervor.

That's without a doubt.

Good, I like the minutiae.