For those that don't know, what took you down the path of documentary filmmaker slash teacher? It's very evident that you have the creative instinct that wants to go and create great stuff, but also this desire to kind of share what you've learned with other folks as well.

Yeah, thank you.

I mean, to be honest, there was a lot of happenstance involved.

I went to graduate school.

I went to film school and documentary in particular.

And prior to that, I would say I had a desire to have a voice in a broad sense, you know, to interact with society.

But I lacked a model or a mode to... to execute that.

So having a means to an end that you're working towards, I think it makes a lot of sense, especially when it allows you to take those little and then bigger swings along the path as you're trying to discover what is it that working for me what feels right you know what's a part of who I consider to be who I am I love this conversation talk to us about a little bit about current reality and then also about what you're what you're getting into you have a film currently out who killed Alex Oda I think it's called and talk to us a little bit about what that encompasses what that's about and where you're headed next after that