Yeah.

Uh, and I immediately was captivated by punk rock.

This is in 1982.

And I lucked out.

I met these kids on my block who also liked punk rock, and we formed a band, Evanston's own Verboten.

Yeah.

Um, well, the funny thing is is that we've been doing this for 10 years in Chicago, where Michael would say, "I'm gonna come to town.

Can you book a club, put together a band, and we'll play one entire record?" And we do that, like, once a year.

When did you find the change from, isn't it cute they're playing, to being a real band of musicians? When did that happen in your life?

I'm still getting the isn't it cute line.

Yeah.

I'm trying to get people to take me seriously.

And I think this podcast performance appearance will change the trajectory of my career finally.

Yeah, we got a lot of that.

I mean, I was not only that age, but I was tiny.

With something like this, there's a lot of cover bands, but they have to know that your talent and your passion as a group must shine through on these shows for things to happen like at Newport.

Yeah.

And I think...

I mean, it is such an amazing thing for us, for those guys to join us on stage or say nice things about us.

But I think...

One of my favorite gifts of this project is to just be around them and see them together because they're like brothers.

The first time we went to Athens, Mike and I went out with Mike Mills and Peter Buck and they were finishing each other's – Yeah.

And then fast forward to the show and they started bickering about a chord in one of the songs.

Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah.

Uh, and I immediately was captivated by punk rock.

This is in 1982.

And I lucked out.

I met these kids on my block who also liked punk rock, and we formed a band, Evanston's own Verboten.

Yeah.

Um, well, the funny thing is, is that we've been doing this for 10 years in Chicago, where Michael would say, "I'm gonna come to town.

Can you book a club, put together a band, and we'll play one entire record?" And we do that, like, once a year.

Did the dog go with you at the merch table at times?

No.

What I, what I would say at the show, I would talk about Juniper and how this is the first time I've, I've done this.

And one of the stories I would tell, uh, there, there's a great off-leash dog park, um, in Lake Forest, which is just north of Evanston, called Prairie Wolf.

And when I go there with Juniper, because she's a hunter, there's kind of this rhythm that we have.

Again, she's off leash.

So we're walking down a path, and she'll just disappear into the brush, and it's a very beautiful prairie.

To your annoyance? Not to, you know-

Yeah.

Yeah, I was doing, again, that comes back to Evanston, The Wine Goddess on Main Street.

Diana is the wine goddess and her husband, Rick, are good friends of mine.

And they wanted to start doing music.

So they asked me if I would do a solo show in 2015.

I wasn't doing solo shows then.

I was working with a band, and I was touring with Bob Mould and Superchunk.

Talk a little bit about how that happened.