What have you learned about yourself then through the journey of building a business on your own?

I was in the building trade to start with.

When I left school, I joined... building company and then we developed a family business and that was going to my sort of dad retired and then it sort of disbanded but we still helped each other but we went separately I learned a lot just from from that and running the business that way so then I went off on my own start my own building company then got into a partnership and that came with challenges.

Again, it's, you think you know some people then maybe you don't and partnerships are quite difficult.

You really need to work on them and keep talking.

So yeah, it's, it was a massive learning curve, but I got to a point where quite a few things changed.

And I think a lot of people need to understand that if you're doing something that you don't really enjoy or you're really, really stressed, have a look, find out other different things.

So how could we use that idea into these other types of industries?