So can you talk to everybody a little bit about what made you start public speaking, and why you found, like, how did you find it? Were you just interested? Like, what happened? Tell us that story.

Yeah.

So it kind of came to my doorstep a little bit, and then I really realized how much [laughs] I liked it.

I think, I wanna say it was more around...

So naturally I would public speak, but more internal, right? Like, more within the company I worked for or, you know, within any extracurriculars, et cetera, but never like public-facing.

Um, and while working at Salesforce, I got tapped on and was like, "Hey, we were noted that you may be somebody that may be good to represent us and speak on this virtual panel, et cetera." And so I was just like, "Oh, okay, I guess, you know.

Like, sure," and did that.

How would you say that being a active member of NSN or any other professional org and then now serving on the board has helped you with your speaking?