So what inspired you then to start Dragonfly Natives? Like, where did that come from? Like, here you are, you got, you got your thing going, and you're like, "Oh, no, I'm just gonna throw caution to the wind and dive right in."

Oh, that's such a great way to put it.

Um, a little bit of both.

So the long version, if you want that, is that I've always been that outdoorsy person.

Like, my earliest memories are crawling underneath shrubs and exploring and writing on rocks with pokeberry berries, uh, pokeweed berries.

And I went, you know, I went to college to study environmental studies, and that was very depressing.

Um, I was told by an instructor if I really wanted to make a difference in life, I should be a lawyer or get into politics, and it really wasn't what I was interested in.

If you're working with, like, Korean natural farming, and if you're going out and collecting microbes from the area, or are you, have you experimented with stuff that's off the shelf? Tell me about it.