... and that conversation that you and your dad had about your strengths 'cause I think that's a really interesting one and one you bring into fintech and business on a daily basis.

Being brought up around elite sportsmen, so, so the idea of going down the park or dedicating you- yourself to something 100% is just something I was brought up with.

My dad trained and then when he started to coach me, it was, it was every day.

You know, I didn't know it wasn't normal that a kid wakes up at, you know, 4:30 in the morning to get down the park and do an hour and a half before school started.

That, that was just the way I was brought up.

So I was brought up with that mentality that you have to do the hard work.

That's just a given, and if you don't do that level of hard work, then you're not gonna make it, and you're not gonna become as good as, as you're meant to.

You also have three kids who also went into sport, but to different degrees, right? And how do you, as somebody who's obviously achieved a lot, both in life and in work and in sport, how do you manage your own expectations around bringing up kids, but also helping them be their best selves?