Yeah, if you had your elevator pitch of here's why I'm so interested in this, here's why I'm passionate about it, my guess would be that you see harms coming from this.

Yeah, I, I'm specifically worried about young men because that, that is who gets captured with- ... within this more than any other group.

And so there's a variety of harms that could happen.

You know, one of them is, are you holding this in secret? So usually when you're losing, you don't tell anybody.

When you're winning, you'll tell the world.

But even though this is not a scripture, understand that, but when we're doing things in secret, it's often because we're ashamed of it, and we know that there's something that we shouldn't be doing, or it's distracting us.

Um, it has a possibility of, of plunging people into debt, and that's really harmful at young ages because you're talking about family formation as well.

Mm-hmm.