What do you think the opportunity is and how likely do you think we are to see that automation coming in?

I think we all have seen in the last week or so the videos from Japan, right? The robots loading, unloading The aircraft, it's simple as, I mean, demand drives supply, right? So Japan's been very vocal about their lack of manpower.

So that drives innovation.

Necessity, if you don't have the lack of manpower at that stage yet, I think the push is not enough there, maybe in other parts of the world.

But I think with all these innovations, and if you... look at the manpower shortages, especially in certain parts of the world, if the concept there rolled out in Japan takes off and gains scale, that, of course, could be very, very attractive.

But I think it's early days, in a way, because what you see with these technologies sometimes is yes, it looks really cool and it can do certain tasks, but then you also need to take into account the cost and also the speed.

As you know, in aviation, the turnaround time is absolutely critical.

And I think I was reading that at Uniload you're putting some of the battery devices, the charging technology, it may not be SAF, but the sustainability agenda is reaching all the way across the supply chain, right?