She and her team want to make sure those competing only have to worry about their events.

My goal is when the athlete wakes up on the morning of their competition, they go to the dining hall at UCLA, they get fabulous food, they get on a bus, they get to their venue, and they compete at their best.

And so all of this work that we're doing, which is a lot of work, is so when the athletes and when the fans come too.

It's seamless.

It's great.

It's a great day for everyone.

But in your research for the book, and there's a lot of conversations with other parents, other mothers in the book, what emotional shifts did you see that tend to appear as your teens, later teens, young adults start to pull away and show they're moving towards independence? Yeah.

Well, Gorgeous, when we spoke to a whole bunch of people and we spoke to a broad range of people, everyone from single parents to people from all different ethnic backgrounds and even same-sex couples, yeah, we discovered you either fall into one of two camps.

It's very sort of polarised.

You're either wildly celebrating the fact that they're out the door and you're throwing the party that afternoon or Or you're really quite devastated and you kind of don't want to show it to anyone because, you know, if you're like me, you're a positive person.

People think you're positive, but you're feeling this really deep grief.

And I think the emotional shift for a lot of parents happens when the kids no longer kind of need you.

And I think that that's one of the really pivotal things about feeling emptiness grief is that feeling of being made redundant.

And how can parents acknowledge their feelings but not feel guilty that they're trying to hang on to their kids? But also, how can they navigate the stage? What did you find? Yeah.

your boyfriend was what was like he was.

Well, he was just like, no, I don't think she's doing anything wrong with the sincere stuff.

And so that's so let me close my thought about the.

So obviously, Melanie comes up to the speakeasy after they kissed.

And Sincere and Melanie and, you know, Soul just slips by Melanie without saying anything.

Super weird behavior and very sneaky.

And then Sincere and Melanie have that conversation upstairs where Sincere just dies.

just want

But in your research for the book, and there's a lot of conversations with other parents, other mothers in the book, what emotional shifts did you see that tend to appear as your teens, later teens, young adults start to pull away and show they're moving towards independence? Yeah.

Well, Gorgeous, when we spoke to a whole bunch of people and we spoke to a broad range of people, everyone from single parents to people from all different ethnic backgrounds and even same-sex couples, yeah, we discovered you either fall into one of two camps.

It's very sort of polarised.

You're either wildly celebrating the fact that they're out the door and you're throwing the party that afternoon or Or you're really quite devastated and you kind of don't want to show it to anyone because, you know, if you're like me, you're a positive person.

People think you're positive, but you're feeling this really deep grief.

And I think the emotional shift for a lot of parents happens when the kids no longer kind of need you.

And I think that that's one of the really pivotal things about feeling emptiness grief is that feeling of being made redundant.

And how can parents acknowledge their feelings but not feel guilty that they're trying to hang on to their kids? But also, how can they navigate the stage? What did you find? Yeah.