Jane, is the sort of AI revolution, will it change your content over the next few years? And how is this more broadly going to affect animal advocates around the world?

Well, we use it all the time.

We use it to create posters and we use it to write copy.

For example, we're doing the 14 day march to abolish animal testing and we're running an entire network.

You can see it behind me.

And we're doing it on a shoestring with mostly volunteers.

So we literally do not have the capacity to sit there and write 14 intros, create 14 posters.

Do we all think we're past rock bottom, respectively, in all of our different environmental, animal rights, health areas? Jane, what do you think?

And so have there been victories on the animal rights front, in your opinion, since PETA started in the 80s? And how did they do it? Because I think there's a lot of other political activists of all stripes that would like to know how you get change these days.

Well, yeah, it's a great question.

Right now, we're editing a history of the vegan movement in the United States.

And you know that Benjamin Franklin, our founding father, said meat is murder.

You look it up.

I know, shocking, right? Because PETA said meat is murder.

But long before PETA said meat is murder, Benjamin Franklin, who experimented with vegetarianism throughout his youth, something that's never covered in the documentaries that they do about him, said meat is murder.

Is it overt or is it covert that you just figure it out by reading the room that you're in that, hey, this is the way you say things and this is the way you do things? How does it work when you're there?

Great to see you.

I am so happy to see you, Harvey and Charles.

Let me say, Harvey, you gave me my big break and I will always be grateful to you.

You are my personal hero.

And after I left the mainstream TV, I started my own streaming network, Unchained TV.

It's the world's only video.

vegan animal rights streaming television network.

But you don't feel that way.