So maybe start by, because clearly you were a passionate educator and as a leader, why did you leave that role in school?

OK, well, because I'm passionate and I'm driven and I want the best.

I'm not someone who sits back and this will do.

If I've got fire in my belly for something, I want to give it my best.

And so because I was constantly wanting to learn myself, hence the master's, the doctorate, Again, in school, I didn't just do enough.

I was always wanting to do more and more to improve doing courses, doing X, Y, Z.

So and I think with my skill set, the leadership side did fit, married together nicely and being able to enable others and help others, support others.

So when you became an owner of a nursery and a very successful nursery, I have to say, did you feel... being in control that it was very different and you, did your habits change? Did you feel less likely to burn out?