And that's why I think using fashion as sort of a tool there helps them get there, don't you? Absolutely.

I agree.

I do believe this is a bit of install.

My mother loved fashion.

So did mine.

My father was very beautiful in fashion.

She took care of herself, whether she went to the store or even to work out.

What are you hearing from the women who come and see you? What are they walking away with? And have you had a situation where you've really seen a transformation? Yes.

Mm-hmm.

It didn't...

I had no idea what I was doing.

I said yes, and that's the message too.

You don't always have to have it figured out.

Saying yes is the start.

So from there, what it evolved to is Marian always gave to charities through her paintings, and so we chose, uh, Little Warriors Canada to give 50% of the proceeds to, um, who they champion, uh, and also educate based on children of sexual abuse who have been through this and their families.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Because what that allows is to go in, get a pair of jeans and go, well, I'm not sure.

It's okay to buy new.

I'm not saying that.

But like if you can get something value priced, you can pull together something.

And then all of a sudden you go, okay, that worked, that didn't work.

It's the same thing as building your confidence.

So give us a rundown of what that was, how that started, and what's coming up for you in September.

middle, what does that look like? What did it actually look like on a regular Tuesday morning?

Well, the brave, messy middle is, will be done when I, my last breath on the planet.

I think I want to put that into, because it's, it is, you know, one thing, as soon as you finish another thing, something, you know, messy comes along.

So I think I've set my expectations realistically so that I can move forward with it without going, where's the end? So For me, the brave, messy middle really was about starting therapy.

And that was like, so for me, the part was after my parents passed away, there was tremendous grief and depression.

I had no idea how to, I was very worried about my thoughts.

They were very dark.

So was there someone in your life who just didn't get it at first?