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[laughs] The kind of small drones that we're working with Ukraine with, like cheap and cheerful, um, and, and great.

But when it comes to very big spends, everything gets caught up in a sort of defense procurement, lovely dinners.

There's, um, there's a great deal of the budget, I think, goes into the defense sector, wining and dining, um, the people who are, uh, buying the things.

So obviously some of the money has to go there.

However, every quarter there is a, a hospitality register showing what people who are two star and above within the military have, have had, and, and every time there's a great many agreeable dinners on the list.

Um-

But do you think procurement just needs to change completely? I mean, it sounds like th- it's just so bedeviled, and it has been for so long.