So to make it to 185 is extraordinary.

I mean, even more extraordinary when you think that actually we've probably ended up in the top 3% now, which is crazy because of its consistency, its length, its stretch, its reach across the globe.

You know, the best things often start almost by accident and not by plan.

And this certainly wasn't planned.

And I suppose I'm someone who, when an opportunity comes, I balance it up, but then go with it if it feels right in my gut and the heart's around it as well, the heart's there in it.

My daughter was 15 at the time.

We'd just come out the other side of COVID really.

What do you see as the future of arts education? Do you think it will carry on being outsourced in this way? What are you seeing at the coalface and what would you love to happen? I