First of all, how would you articulate that conversation? Then we'll get into whether it has merit.

It's an interesting one and kind of difficult and certainly from my point of view there's a big difference between singers and instrumentalists.

When I first started as a musician I suppose when I was like five years old as a pianist I then thought I wanted to be a pianist and I got to sort of 17 or so and it took literally four hours to go through just the scales that you had to do for that kind of thing and I absolutely hated it and couldn't bring myself to do it.

I wasn't good enough either.

I then had my first voice lesson when my teacher in high school was like, so don't practice more than 10 minutes a day.

And I went, oh, I'll do this instead.

Because she said, when you're young, 17, 18, your muscles aren't ready to do anymore.

Is that something you recognized where the classical arts met popular culture and television?