to show shareholders and investors that, look,

look at what they can do.

Well, when I worked at Al Jazeera, we would hear about this often.

Whenever there was some kind of incursion happening in Gaza in particular, a couple of days later, we'd hear of some sort of trade fair.

So Andrew Feinstein, who I interviewed for the podcast, so he's a whistleblower, the South African arms deal, and he has been for the last 20 years following the and the dirty money behind this arms munitions business.

And he was invited, before they knew who he was, he was invited to one of these.

And something had happened in Gaza a couple of days earlier, and he went to Dubai.

Mark Thatcher

Okay, please continue.

Yes, thank you for that.

And in fact, it's still happening today.

But so you have the Janjaweed, which morphed into the RSF, the Rapid Support Force, and you've got the Sudanese army.

There was a popular uprising in 2019 to get rid of Janjaweed.

Omar al-Bashir, I mean, terrible leader, obviously the genocide, the country was crumbling.

And these two forces came to a sort of uneasy agreement to work together to resolve the issues in the country.

What does displacement actually mean, especially when it comes to the Sudanese?