Why did you agree to take it on? Because there's something that must resonate with you, why you think this is important.

Yeah, well, I've been involved in education and training at school.

some level throughout the whole of my career actually since I started working on clinical skills when I was a registrar and it just baffled me why people weren't trained to do the things they needed to do as doctors and I thought we've got to sort this out and I've actually spent most of my career either in undergraduate or postgraduate medicine doing that alongside my day job as a physician and rheumatologist and I actually had just had become emeritus, retired from UCL, was picking up a portfolio of things to do to keep me from getting bored and senile.

And and I was sort of tapped up by Chris Whitty, who said, if this happened, this was when phase one of the medical education and training was going on.

If we needed someone to lead the implementation, would I be prepared to be put forward as part of a group? And actually, I didn't hesitate.

And the reason is, for goodness sake, it needs fixing.

And it needs fixing by doctors for doctors.

I wonder if it's worth just summarizing, really, what did we learn from, how was phase one conducted and what did we learn?