And the way he just sort of flipped on that, I guess, again, that could have... been editing too right like it could have been a much longer conversation but like for you to have such hard and fast opinions on something that came from an uneducated place is just confusing to me like how can you feel so strongly about things that are just dead ass wrong

Yeah, see, my read on that, while I agree with you entirely personally about those issues, my take on that conversation is I didn't feel like he had super strong convictions on those things.

This is just what maybe he'd read about and that was his contribution to the conversation, but that he was open to... alternate opinion.

So like when he talked about the COVID vaccine and he was like, yeah, you know, like I had had COVID.

And so I was following the science that I had the antibodies, which is not scientifically incorrect.

And a lot of people, and everybody, please be aware, I believe in vaccines.

My children are all vaccinated.

What are your thoughts on this? Did you watch this show? Was this a family that you were following over the years?

I mean, we have no, uh, uh, fingerprint evidence, no anything like that on her body, uh, do we?

Yep.

The, there ...

Well, there was no investigation, Ryan.

Her fingernails were ripped down, halfway down her fingers.

Now, that is what you see in victims who have been fighting for their lives.

That is not something you see when someone just dives out of a window.

... at the initial trial?

previous seasons they have gone wild and out i just think this felt worse because we knew that the women were seeing it live which they never had seen it before so it was really hard

yeah yeah and i think like As, you know, and I'm skipping ahead, but as Anaya has said on a number of occasions now, it's not even the choices that these men were making in terms of exploring relationships.

further down the road in Casa, it was like the complete lack of respect, honestly, for the Casa women and completely gone from their brains are the women that they've been establishing relationships and friendships with.

like that.

And they were so like, like dogs off the lead in the park.

Like they just went crazy.

And you know, the things that they were saying were just so unnecessary.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She was so composed.

You know, even when, like, Ruler, I think it was Ruler, it looked like and sounded like a completely different person, but you know, she's standing up, "You're a whore.

I don't know what's worse, but what's coming out of your mouth or what's between your legs." Like, you know, she was so reactive, and I under- of course I understand why.

It's horrific.

Of- she was, like, a broken woman, and I get it.

But, like, she and Brian could've saved so much of this if, as they were all saying, he had just said, "You know what? I have completely fucked up." I owe some conversations to Ruler.

See dealer for warranty details.

Yeah.

Yeah, who has had a relapse, and, you know, they met in rehab, and, you know, they've had kind of a similar trajectory of, like, toxicity and breaking up and getting back together and doing things publicly and on lives, and you just think, like, none of this can be healthy.

I don't understand, you know, that it has to get to this level that there's a police report.

And I saw some of the photos, and he has got injuries.

Y- you know, and if it was the other way around, we wouldn't be questioning it.

We would be with our pitchforks and fully, like, Team Victoria and get away from this douchebag.

So do we feel the same way when it's in the reverse?

[laughs]

Wow

...

I mean, I have to say, it was kind of like a, a, a, I don't know, a two-minute, um, dance, if that's the right word.

It's kind of like her doing a few kind of, like, yoga moves on a chair.

Ugh, you know, she really...

The effort was noticeable.

Um, and it was a little bit RuPaul's Drag Race.

the whole thing ends with her or something like that.

Yeah

... kind of vaguely an influencer and, and a Bravo person, and that's kind of it.

So I mean, there's so much that's not lining up, and I, I just, like, I hate that we're not getting people pushing back more on the specifics of things.

You know, they're saying, yeah, she separated from Kyle officially on the 19th of January, and then two months later she's making a statement with West, but they hadn't slept together.

So you're telling me in just that short window of time, with just enough time to start flirting with each other and having an interest in each other for the very first time, and nothing had happened, what...

I mean, you just don't put out a statement like that unless there is something significant going on.

We know that.

Fair enough.

Absolutely

... they're both the, the two that are still building their lives.

Like, you know, uh, Rosie's deciding whether or not to have kids, Kelsey's trying to make the next chapter happen, you know, and the others are kind of settled and some are much older, some, like Joellen's probably the same age, but feels much more mature and, and further along in her life.

She's got a career, you know, she's got the husband, she's got the kids.

She's got, like the things that Kelsey's looking for she's already got.

So it's almost like there's a competitiveness between Rosie and Kelsey.

They're almost fighting for the same role on the show, you know? Um-

Right.

... that she has one on camera [laughs] and one not on camera? [laughs]

Yes.

Absolutely.

But I feel like she needs to kind of spell it out a little bit more for us just to really get us comfortable with what's going on.

Because on the one hand, all her scenes are filmed in her mega, mega mansion, and we see that her life is funded fully by this part-time extremely wealthy boyfriend.

But, and that he doesn't want kids and he's not gonna give her kind of the future that she's hoping to have.

And then she's bringing this younger kind of like, you know, muscle man out everywhere.

'Cause he's basically doing it out in the open

I say that lovingly.

Yeah, yeah.

I, look, I think it's a, it's a tricky path to tread, because obviously the world is in a place where these are very big conversations, and there are so many horrors going on, you know, even if we just look at that pocket of the world.

Um, so I, I kind of, like I can understand why Meredith would feel the need to really kind of stand up and defend her religion and her culture, and part of me thinks, like, that's great, that she's identifying so strongly.

We saw her bat mitzvah last season, and I think that's a really beautiful side to Meredith, that she's connecting so strongly with that.

However, yeah, it felt a little bit like the wrong horse in the wrong race kind of thing.

Like it just, it just wasn't quite landing for me, and I, I think Brittany and Meredith clearly have had issues the whole season, if not the last few.

Mm

yeah i think you're right so i know before you were at bravo con you went to la how did you figure out that trip and like who you met with and who you did stuff with did you already have some contacts there before you went

i did yeah so i just thought coming from australia you know just going to la and back it's it's a long way it's a you know it's 14 hours to get to from melbourne to la anyway So I thought if I was going to be there, I might as well make the most of it.

And a lot of people from LA had already been on my podcast.

I had the connection with Ryan.

You know, we'd done each other's pods a few times already.

And I think I first had him on at the height of Scandavol, actually.

And then we have kind of gone back and forth on each other's podcast since then.

How did you find him as a person in general, like to hang out with?