But tell me what you've seen as kind of trends in that time around, you know, women getting closer to the decision making and being more empowered to actually invest and grow their own money.

That is a great question, Fee.

If I think about the 80s and the early 80s, the first cash management trust that was launched was launched by Hill Samuel, now Macquarie Bank, all those decades later.

So that was the first, it was a unit trust that invested in bonds and government bonds and corporate bonds and all sorts of things like that.

But what was exciting was that that structure enabled individuals not only individuals with a lot of money, every individual to be able to invest in that.

And unit trusts allowed that.

So whether it was a unit trust that invested in property or shares, all of a sudden, the average person that didn't have hundreds of thousands of dollars could also invest in shares, international shares, Australian shares.

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Interesting.

And because it was like a family business.

And because I was also in Perth, a lot was left up to me to organise.

So I really got my straps there.

And as an example, all these state offices had budgets.

And part of the budget and the PR budget also covered Virginia Dard's profile had radio interviews magazine interview magazines are okay but radio tv the who got the benefit of all that was the eastern states we got none of that benefit and so i i posed to the management team that that should be stripped out of my budget because i've got no benefit um that was quashed straight away no every all the all the states contribute Now the PR company that was taking care of us at the time was Mojo.

It was a brilliant, anybody that was around back then knew Mojo.

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