... fiscal strategy yet.

I think it's also interesting on that, on the independent costings body, looking at when the political parties have been in favor of it, favor of it.

National's previously spoken about having a look at it.

They now don't want to.

I think one of the reasons they probably don't want is, want it is it would undercut their argument against Labor.

You know, they're really focusing on the fact that Labor allegedly hasn't funded all their, their promises.

If there was an independent costings body, I think that would take that argument away from National.

All of those things.

Is it just far too late for a leadership spill now?

Uh, no.

I mean, we aren't yet, I don't believe, at the equivalent point in the cycle as when Jacinda Ardern took over in 2017.

We haven't reached that point yet.

Um, of course it is different.

You know, we're talking about potentially getting rid of a sitting prime minister as opposed to a opposition leader, like when Jacinda Ardern, uh, uh, replaced Andrew Little in 2017.

So, you know, we [laughs] anything can happen.

What's all this about?

Is it just far too late for a leadership spill now?

Uh, no.

I mean, we aren't yet, I don't believe, at the equivalent point in the cycle as when Jacinda Ardern took over in 2017.

We haven't reached that point yet.

Um, of course, it is different.

You know, we're talking about potentially getting rid of a sitting prime minister as opposed to a opposition leader, like when Jacinda Ardern, uh, uh, replaced Andrew Little in 2017.

So, you know, we- anything can happen.

What's all this about?

First off, tell me about National's promises for KiwiSaver.

Yeah, so National came out at their election conference yesterday with a really big KiwiSaver policy.

It has four main components, the largest part of it being that they will make KiwiSaver, or an equivalent retirement scheme, compulsory for all workers.

Now that's quite a big shift for the National Party.

They historically have rallied against these types of mandatory compulsory retirement schemes.

But that was really the centrepiece of the policy.

They say that KiwiSaver is becoming more and more popular.

Do you reckon he will start in fact talking about polling when things start looking a bit rosier for National?

First off, tell me about National's promises for KiwiSaver.

Yeah.

So National came out, uh, at their election, uh, conference yesterday with a really big KiwiSaver policy.

It has four main components, the largest part of it being that they will make KiwiSaver or an equivalent retirement scheme compulsory for all workers.

Now, that's quite a big shift for the National Party.

They historically have rallied against these types of mandatory compulsory retirement schemes.

Um, but that was really the centerpiece of the policy.

Do you reckon he will start, in fact, talking about polling when things start looking a bit rosier for National?

What's all this about reaching surplus? Yay, we have, we're going to do it, but it's because we've changed the goalposts kind of situation.

Yeah, so the government has a traditional measure.

It's called a beagle.

I won't go into the exact details of it, but that's how they determine whether the country's books are in a surplus or a deficit.

When this government came into power, they made a few little tiny changes or one key change.

They removed ACC from it and they called it Obeagle X.

Essentially, on that new measure, on the finance minister's preferred measure, they are going to get to surplus a year earlier than we had thought going into the budget.

Do you reckon that's good enough at this stage in the game?

What's all this about reaching surplus? Yay, we have, we're going to do it, but it's because we've changed the goalposts kind of situation.

Yeah, so the government has a traditional measure.

It's called a beagle.

I won't go into the exact details of it, but that's how they determine whether the country's books are in a surplus or a deficit.

When this government came into power, they made a few little tiny changes or one key change.

They removed ACC from it and they called it Obeagle X.

Essentially, on that new measure, on the finance minister's preferred measure, they are going to get to surplus a year earlier than we had thought going into the budget.

Do you reckon that's good enough at this stage in the game?