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And it just, it just undid Gordon.

He just lost it.

He said, "All day I've been giving it to stud breeders, and none of them would give it back.

None of it.

Like, none of them." He said, "You're the first fella to give it back." From that day until the day he died, like yeah, we'd go out and have dinner at Bendigo at the sheep show and catch up with him.

And yeah, like I said, um, he was talking about, um, on that kelpie DVD that I watched, um, about, you know, there's no difference, you know, breeding to types.

Is there more to that type? Like, like you, you look at a lot of the lines that you're talking about, and yes, they're similar, but what's, what is that type you're looking for?